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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Istanbul Carpet Week 2019
Istanbul Carpet Week 2019
  • 25-29 October 2019 | Istanbul Carpet Week 2019. The program includes 13th National Rug Design Contest, Exporters' Awards Ceremony, B2B meetings, Istanbul International Carpet Conference with international and Turkish speakers, Workshop by an international famous rug designer, Wall Art Kilim & Rug Exhibition at (Old City) Sultan Ahmet.
  • 17-19 September 2019 | Index Exhibition, the Middle East & North Africa’s largest gathering for the design community, takes place from 17-19 September at the Dubai World Trade Centre.
  • 24-30 June 2019 | HALI London celebrates 40 years and 200 editions of HALI magazine, and is the first London festival devoted to the art and history of textiles.


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  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
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    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

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  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
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  • ... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
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July 1

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June 30

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RD: Momir Bulatović

Article: Momir Bulatović (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): B92

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He was a Montenegrin politician and the first President of the Yugoslav Republic of Montenegro from 1990 to 1998, after which he served as the Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia from 1998 until 2000. MSN12102001 (talk) 19:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose -- Disregard my previous vote; I realise now that I was acting with an excess of zeal. Support - Seems to be sourced and fairly comprehensive. Only one red link; does anyone think that could be a problem? Cwilson97 (talk)
    Redlink is not a problem. But there are few unsourced claims. They're the problem. – Ammarpad (talk) 21:05, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose article is packed with unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:16, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose The "early life" and "anti-bureaucratic revolution" sections are undersourced. INeedSupport It has gone downhill 21:49, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. In addition to the above serious concerns, the section "Prime Minister of Yugoslavia (1998–2000)" needs expansion and there's a lack of personal information. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Lots of [citation needed]s.  Nixinova  T  C  02:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump enters North Korea

It seems exceedingly unlikely that consensus to post will develop here. (non admin closure) -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: North Korea–United States relations (talk, history)
Blurb: ​U.S. President Donald Trump together with South Korean President Moon Jae-in meets North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un at the DMZ, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to step foot in North Korea. Trump also invites Kim to the White House.
News source(s): (NBC News) (Business Insider) (Fox News)(CNN)
Nominator's comments: Top news story for the day (copied from Portal:Current events/2019 June 30). S-1-5-7 (talk) 12:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. Trump's invitation should not be in the blurb; it makes it too unwiedly(and it probably will not happen given the reluctance of the Kims to leave the country(especially by air). 331dot (talk) 13:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – No results – not yet. (BTW, the usual English phrase is to "set foot," not "step foot.") – Sca (talk) 13:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose As Trump's met Jong-un before ,and Jong-un has met Jae-in before , this is not so much the "nixon goes to china" moment, with the only interesting factoid being Trump being the first president to touch NZ soil, itself not ITN worthy. --Masem (t) 14:01, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Didn't stay long enough to matter. A real visit, maybe. Spend a night, at least. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:23, June 30, 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Although the chattering class might find it intriguing that our Great Orange One likes to cozy up to dictators and strongmen while unleashing his enmity on allies and functional democracies, this particular event does not rise to the threshold of notability for ITN. WaltCip (talk) 14:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
When did he become "Great" - ?? – Sca (talk) 15:15, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Tut, tut. Whatever would Barack say. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Bruce Holsinger ("...manufacturing an accomplishment out of a travesty") ——SerialNumber54129 15:01, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose "It'll be even more historic if something comes up, something very important," he added. "Very big stuff, pretty complicated, but not as complicated as people think." wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Now you know what logorrhea is.--WaltCip (talk) 16:29, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, he sure puts the log in plank. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • support first us president visiting the hermit-country is self-evidently important, especially in the outline of the ongoing talks to de-nuke the DPRK. The only reason I can see why people here vote oppose is because of the well known anti-Trump bias of this "encyclopedia" 5.44.170.9 (talk) 16:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
    • It's not a bias, its just that the President making all of exactly 20 steps into NK via the DMZ may arguably be the first President to stand in NK but mostly symbolic. And the hour+ talk they had after the fact hasn't resolved or changed anything. --Masem (t) 17:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
      • Good point - is the DMZ in North Korea, in South Korea, in both, or in neither? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
        • Both, with the border as a line running down the middle (literally, it's a physical line marked out to stop anyone accidentally crossing it). It's not like the Berlin Wall or the fencing along the Mexican border where the physical structures were an initiative of one side and consequently 100% in the territory of whoever built it. ‑ Iridescent 17:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
          • Thank you, Iridescent. Perhaps next time he'll try and walk across the Northern Limit Line? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
            • Or maybe he'll cross the demarcation line, keep going and pull a Crater. – 21:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
        • The video at the top of this NYTImes article [1] shows exactly what the area looks like. There's a short concrete barrier that delinates the country boundaries, and Trump literally stepped over that and a few extra feet into NZ. --Masem (t) 17:43, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
          • Opposition has nothing to do with Trump at all; we aren't biased just because we don't say what Trump's propaganda wants us to say.331dot (talk) 18:58, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose All hat, no cattle. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Masem. It may be interesting, but no real progress has been made to transform the cold relationship between the two countries. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 17:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support If you are an admin, please ignore this !vote and post #RD: Whitney North Seymour Jr.. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 17:39, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Trump meets Kim. It ends there. Nothing is needed here. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment There is another article named 2019 North Korea-United States DMZ Summit that elaborates more on this event. I think we should all nominate that article instead of this one. Virtuous09 (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

June 29

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(Posted) RD: Whitney North Seymour Jr.

Article: Whitney North Seymour Jr. (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYT

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 05:06, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

June 28

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(Posted) RD: Tadao Takashima

Article: Tadao Takashima (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Japan Times

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese actor and jazz musician known for his roles in such films as King Kong vs. Godzilla and Frankenstein Conquers the World, as well as stage musicals such as My Fair Lady. Father of Masahiro Takashima and Masanobu Takashima. –Matthew - (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment. It's a stub with some sources needed, especially for the filmography. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: @Espresso Addict: It's still more or less a stub right now, but with the valuable help of ​Michitaro, I've expanded the article somewhat, and everything there is now sourced. –Matthew - (talk) 16:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose no justification for a fair use image of the deceased moments after his death. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: Was that your only concern? The image has been removed. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:31, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Indeed it was. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2019 European heat wave

No consensus to post. SpencerT•C 06:04, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: 2019 European heat wave (talk, history)
Blurb: ​A heatwave affecting much of Europe is expected to intensify with countries temperatures hitting above 40C (104F).
Alternative blurb: ​France observes its highest temperature on record, 45.9 °C (114.6 °F), during a widespread heat wave affecting Europe.
News source(s): BBC

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Record high temperatures, been in the news for a while now. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose crystal ball. On another note, is this really what counts as a heat wave in Europe. Most of the world would call this a very warm day. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC).
Very warm series of days. That's where the "wave" comes in. Keeps on rolling, like a news "cycle". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:30, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Heat waves are pretty common. Record breaking temperatures occurs quite frequently. Plus, there has been no deaths so far. INeedSupport :3 04:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all. Heat deaths that result in deaths unfortunately occur with some regularity in my area, but we don't post all such incidents on ITN. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait. This may prove to be a historic heat wave, but I suggest waiting at least July to find out. If before the end of June the event becomes particularly noteworthy, I would support ongoing. 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:FD73:6074:3148:4F9 (talk) 06:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose posting the mere occurrence of the heat wave; if there are major effects of it(hopefully not), its posting can be considered then. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Unless we start to see more effects, there is no reason this would be notable. StudiesWorld (talk) 10:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose even after "death toll" rises. Sick people fare better on comfortable days, like always. Climate news has just gotten more sensational, and too eager to conflate contributing factors with causes. Same goes for the North American one in a month. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:07, June 28, 2019 (UTC) InedibleHulk (talk) 10:54, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - this is a significant heat wave for Europe. Already some deaths as well.BabbaQ (talk) 12:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Significant for those affected/afflicted, but so far the main result is discomfort. (However, this user foresees a hot market for domestic air-conditioning equipment in We$tern Europe.) – Sca (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support ongoing. I would support ongoing. MSN12102001 (talk) 13:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment MeteoFrance have posted on Twitter that a new absolute record of 44.3 C has been recorded at Carpentras. This is provisional and may rise further this afternoon. 151.170.240.200 (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Opppose a heat wave striking a first-world area (when climate change has already been posted frequently) is not really ITN. We posted the heat wave in India as such an even has a much more drastic impact on a developing area, and dozens+ of deaths were reported. --Masem (t) 13:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support New record reached: "France reached its highest-ever temperature on Friday as continental Europe continues to struggle with an intense heat wave.

The mercury reached 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.2 Fahrenheit) just before 3 p.m. local time in Villevieille, in the Gard department in southern France, according to the French national weather service Météo-France." Note that Southern Europe is quite far North, e.g. Villevieille is at approximately the same latitude as Toronto. The all time record temperature reached in Toronto is only 40.6 C. Count Iblis (talk) 14:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, but Toronto has concrete, mirrors, lights, smog and crowds to make that 40 C "feel like" hell. More people likely died of heat-related illness there even today than in this relatively breezy open land. Anyone even reportedly vomit? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:07, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
fwiw, Urban heat island is the term you want. --Masem (t) 16:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC).
Thanks. I'm dealing with dehydration combined with mosquitoes out here in the Forgotten Lands. City folk are marginally cooler for not having to scratch themselves so much or swat at nothing. At least not before they hallucinate. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:02, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
This factoid should be added to the village's article, regardless of what happens with relatively cold wider Europe and ITN. Easily the biggest thing to ever occur there. I can't paste a reference, though. Any takers? InedibleHulk (talk) 16:00, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
Reality check: A late-afternoon (16:00) survey Friday found Paris at 33C/91F, Rome at 35C/95F and Madrid at 39C/103F, while Berlin showed 24C/75F and London 22C/71F. The only one of those that could be described as really hot is Madrid. Nothing earthshaking. – Sca (talk) 16:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I mean earthshaking in Villevieille, where the only current highlight is the town hall's purported existence. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:37, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
Didn't we also cover the rainfall in a remote village in the Atacama desert where it hadn't rained for more than 300 years? Count Iblis (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
That's neat, too, but different. There is literally no hotter destination in all of France and its recorded history than this sleepy patch of grass nobody ever thought would amount to anything (presumably). InedibleHulk (talk) 17:13, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
It's been dethroned already, but still has a town hall and a brief footnote in history (until it slides to fourth place, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:38, June 28, 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Deaths AND record-breaking temperatures are significant. Heat waves are the deadliest extreme weather phenomenon in the US, and there seems to be a bias against reporting heat waves even if they do more damage simply because they don't get a name like hurricanes do. This heat wave has already killed 5 people. Merlinsorca 20:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Overexertion, drowning and being 80 during a heat wave seem to have killed the four I see. Same happens across the continent on regular days, just goes unreported for lack of timeliness. If warmth itself killed like fires, floods, winds and landslides do, it could be like they are. As it is, this wave has a name and over 99.9% of its "victims" (100% in the hottest spots, so far) will leave it feeling just relieved and perhaps a few Euros poorer. No rebuilding, no mass funeral, no memorial anniversary. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:05, June 29, 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak Support, suggested alt blurb – Would feel a bit strange to post this with the far more deadly Indian heat wave still on the ticker, but all-time records are falling. France saw its highest temperatures on record—45.9 °C (114.6 °F) verified by the World Meteorological Organization—surpassing what was seen during the infamous 2003 European heat wave. Pretty much every record along the Mediterranean coast of France has been broken. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:54, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak Support per Cyclonebiskit Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per Cyclonebiskit. Banedon (talk) 00:45, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

June 27

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Fast radio burst

Article: Fast radio burst (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Australian astronomers locate the source of the first non-repeating fast radio burst – a galaxy 3.6 billion light years away.
News source(s): ScienceScientific AmericanCNNABC NewsUSA TodayThe Independent

Nominator's comments: Several projects are looking for sources of these bursts (85 have been detected so far). They are "unprecedentedly powerful probes of cosmic structure and evolution".[2] RockMagnetist(talk) 19:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose sounds like an incremental advance. So we know where this FRB came from, but we still don't know what it is or what caused it ... and it's just one of many unsolved problems in astronomy. Banedon (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. The article doesn't seem properly updated, including in the lead, to explain how this latest advance builds on the two Nature papers from 2017 & 2018 cited at the end of the lead. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:16, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Now that I know, what do I do? – Sca (talk) 13:59, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
? RockMagnetist(talk) 16:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Dragonfly Mission to Titan

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Article: Dragonfly (spacecraft) (talk, history)
Blurb: ​NASA selects the Dragonfly rotorcraft mission to Titan as the fourth mission in its New Frontiers program.
News source(s): NASA's Dragonfly Will Fly Around Titan Looking for Origins, Signs of Life[3]NY TimesCNNThe AtlanticScience

Nominator's comments: A US$1billion mission awarded in NASA's largest competitive mission class. An octocopter on Titan! Launching in 2026. Unique platform and extraordinary science. Baltfan69 (talk) 01:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose a lot can happen between now and 2036 when it is planned to land. Stephen 01:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Truly a titanic story – wake me up when it takes place for real. Sca (talk) 02:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Good faith nomination but WP:TOOSOON. Welcome to WikiRug. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose'. It will be ITNR when it arrives on Titan in 2036. Its launch may merit posting too, but not now. 331dot (talk) 07:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. It's not TOOSOON to announce that one billion dollars have been committed to a research project! The news is significant enough for several major news sources to dedicate in-depth articles (I have added three links to the nomination). Why? Because Titan is one of the best candidates for extraterrestrial life. RockMagnetist(talk) 21:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Tomorrow Trump could instruct NASA to do something else, or Congress could cut funding, or any number of other things could happen that prevent this project from proceeding. When something tangible happens, like its launch, then we can consider posting. 331dot (talk) 22:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, the possibility that funding could be cut is not an argument against inclusion. There are lots of In the news stories that involve uncertain future events. See, for example, " Elliott Management is in talks to acquire the storied bookseller Barnes & Noble for roughly $476 million" (pocket change!) on June 6 and " International Space Station will be opened for commercial business in 2020 for $58 million" June 7. RockMagnetist(talk) 22:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Note also that the Dragonfly mission already had a well-sourced, well-developed article before it was selected: see this revision. That says something about significance. RockMagnetist(talk) 22:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The archive for June shows no such nominations; I think you are looking at something else. 331dot (talk) 22:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm new to In the news nominations. I thought that Portal:Current events held the archive of In the news posts. I guess I was wrong. RockMagnetist(talk) 22:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
You aren't the first person to do that and won't be the last. No worries. 331dot (talk) 22:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment This could be considered an ongoing news item. Earlier progress was reported in the New York Times, and if the money was rescinded, that would be news too. RockMagnetist(talk) 16:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
    RockMagnetist, for how long would this be ongoing? StudiesWorld (talk) 16:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
StudiesWorld Many years - its planned landing date is 2036, and of course after that would be the results and analysis. RockMagnetist(talk) 16:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
RockMagnetist, are you proposing that it stay in ongoing for that whole time? StudiesWorld (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Not in a formal sense because there will be long gaps with no news. But mileposts will get significant coverage, and if funding is cut, that would also be newsworthy. RockMagnetist(talk) 17:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Not every step in this project merits posting, and it will not occupy an ongoing slot for 15 years or more. This will likely be posted at launch, and it will be posted when it arrives. 331dot (talk) 17:29, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
RockMagnetist, you realize there is very little stopping you from adding it to Portal:Current events/2019 June 27. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Good point. The main reason I have been arguing vigorously for this story is that I am trying to understand what place there is for science stories here. RockMagnetist(talk) 20:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose now is not the time. One only has to look at the James Webb Space Telescope to see what could go wrong with this kind of astronomical mission. Banedon (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Rucho v. Common Cause

Consensus will not develop to post this. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:08, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article: Rucho v. Common Cause (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In a landmark decision, the Supreme Court of the United States rules that partisan gerrymandering can not be challenged in federal courts under the Constitution.
News source(s): [4]

Article updated
Nominator's comments: A landmark Supreme Court case, likely the most significant since Obergefell v. Hodges. --> MarvellingLiked (talk) 15:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose posting interpretations of US law by US courts, which is a routine practice. Keep in mind that this is a global website and it probably is not big news outside the US. 331dot (talk) 15:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The proposed blurb is also inaccurate; they did not rule it was not a violation, they ruled that the courts cannot resolve the matter. 331dot (talk) 15:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose It is landmark, it is significant, but it is not ground-breaking in that it maintains an effective status quo - that SCOTUS and federal courts will not try to judge partisan gerrymandering. It is a long-term impact since it could effectively maintain these maps, but thats in lieu of states passing laws (as suggested) against it. --Masem (t) 15:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose SCOTUS has ruled similarly for the past 45+ years and this changes nothing. Yes, this is the last time they will likely grant cert for such a case for a long time but this was to be expected and inconsequential. (But Thomas is not going to live forever. That is assuming he is the next originalist to leave the bench.) We should have posted Kennedy's retirement because that was the landmark decision. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:49, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose super-local politics. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
At the top of this page: "Please do not...oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." There are other valid reasons to oppose this, but I guess that would require some effort and willingness from your side to actually engage with what is a good-faith nomination. 37.57.81.1 (talk) 20:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Still oppose despite the learned advice provided. Local politics and of no significance to a vast majority of any of us. That gerrymandering is even a thing is like the continual tirade of school gun slaughter we see here. Utterly parochial and meaningless to the rest of the world. Not worthy of our encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I (and others) are not opposing this because it is an American story; we are opposing because it is a local story. Big difference. I don't see anyone here saying the nomination was in bad faith. 331dot (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
QED. 37.57.81.1 (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, many contributors have mental health issues, is that why you find it so funny to add that in your edit summary? Sick. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
331dot, that makes no sense. SCOTUS is the highest judicial body in the United States, a country, and a big and important one at that. This isn't "local" news, it's national. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: By 'local' I mean 'restricted to one country'. It's my understanding that we try to avoid the notion that because the US is big and important that it should get more postings. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but that's what I thought, since this is not USApedia. The ruling here was the status quo- actually not even that, the ruling was that the court could not make a ruling. Hardly groundbreaking, unlike other cases such as Obergefell v. Hodges that (I think) we did post. 331dot (talk) 21:56, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
331dot, and per the "please do not" section above, "restricted to one country" is not a valid reason to oppose. But it gets used on this page over and over again. The "hardly groundbreaking" argument you made is valid. Note that I'm not supporting this item. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
There is a difference between opposition due to a story being local and opposition due to a story being from America(or any country). 331dot (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Would this be included in a summary of world events for 2019? Absolutely not. It's utterly trivial and parochial. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
And am I missing something? Why are people talking about mental health? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: please check the edit summary. --LLcentury (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
And keep in mind that the editor who wrote that summary is now blocked. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Sluzzelin, I see. Totally inappropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above, and I'd like to add that the fact that some contributors have mental issues doesn't mean anything. I do have schizophrenia. --LLcentury (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose I don’t think it’s a landmark case like Obergefell - this is essentially just the Court saying it’s not going to do something. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:24, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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June 26

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(Attention needed) RD: Max Wright

Article: Max Wright (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Deadline

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor best known for his role on the sitcom ALF; Article is short and has a few issues, but I'll do my best to fix it in the coming hours. --SirEdimon (talk) 06:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment I think a multidecade media personality should have a picture on his Wiki article. I know there's rights issues around those and it's not a formal requirement for RD, but it really improves the posting on mouse-over from the main page.130.233.3.159 (talk) 06:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. This needs a lot of work on BLP issues & sourcing, as well as actually discussing his signature role in the body. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment Hey Espresso Addict and 130.233.3.159 What do you think about it now? I think I fixed all of the issues.--SirEdimon (talk) 22:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. Significantly improved, thanks SirEdimon. I can't check the two German-language sources though my vestigial German plus Google translate suggests they might support the statement. My other remaining concern is that the two DUIs, though sourced, feel a little like undue weight in such a brief bio. I will leave this here for a few more hours in case anyone else cares to comment. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
    • About the two German-language sources, I also checked on Translate and assumed good faith from the user who included it. About the DUIs what do you suggest us to do? Because as they are sourced we can't simply take it off. We could rewrite it to fix the "undue weight"?--SirEdimon (talk) 19:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
      • Hey Espresso Addict, so sorry to bother you with it. Did you check the article again? Do you think it's good enough? Regards and again sorry for bothering you.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello SirEdimon -- I did look at it last night and found it did not yet meet my personal standards for posting; it does not seem to have been substantively edited since then. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Espresso Addict Thanks for your reply. Please tell me what is missing and, if I'm able, I'll try to fix it.--SirEdimon (talk) 00:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I've added "attention needed" so that hopefully another admin will review it soon. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - this one is definitely ready for ITN. BabbaQ (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2008 Universal fire

Consensus will not develop to post the start of a legal case 11 years after an event. Stephen 01:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Proposed image
Article: 2008 Universal fire (talk, history)
Blurb: ​A large group of musicians sue Universal Music Group over the loss of master copies and back-ups in the 2008 Universal fire (pictured).
News source(s): BBC News

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Losses in fire much worse that UMG originally admitted. Compounded by storing masters and safeties in same location. $100m lawsuit. Mjroots (talk) 07:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Local news.BabbaQ (talk) 08:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
    • So local that the BBC are reporting it in UK. Mjroots (talk) 08:57, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. I wonder if there is some way to clarify that this loss was only largely discovered recently. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Covered in article, initially stated 40-50k items lost, now estimated up to 500k items lost. Mjroots (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Local and industry-specific news. StudiesWorld (talk) 10:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
    It's not remotely "local" - it covers many of the most notable musicians in the world. And most articles posted to ITN will be industry-specific or sport-specific or country-specific. No news is all-encompassing. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
    I'm not in love with sport-specific news either, but they receive significant support from others and I find them acceptable. StudiesWorld (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support I think the time to post would have been when UMG acknowledged the loss, which was at least a week ago. But even that would not be stale now. This is much bigger news than the Grammys, which are ITN/R. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose on timing and scale. We would post the result of the lawsuit, but definitely not the start of one. And today $100m is tiny relative to sized of other fines or businesses news. --Masem (t)
  • Oppose – The filing of a lawsuit is the beginning of a civil case, analogous to the filing of a charge in a criminal case. For ITN, the news will be the awarding of damages, if any. – Sca (talk) 12:39, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree with Sca that we should wait until the conclusion of the case to post it on ITN. At such time, I would certainly be willing to consider posting. Cwilson97 (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Neutral, Leaning Oppose I'm involved with updating this page, but I don't really think this is ITN-worthy at the moment. For one, the blurb here is wrong: It's not "a large group of musicians" suing Universal, it's just five (at least right now). Also the article's list of artists needs to be updated to include the 700 affected acts that were listed by the Times yesterday. The other editors working on this page were actually working towards getting a DYK blurb, and I think that might be a better main page home for this at the moment. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 17:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait for the end of the case, even if it's in three years. Kingsif (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose on article quality (I had to scroll down to see what date the fire happened), no deaths, and 11 years ago. Maybe support if this spreads to other news sites when the case closes. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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RD: Édith Scob

Article: Édith Scob (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The GuardianNew York Daily News

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French film and theatre actress Jamez42 (talk) 10:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Filmography not sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 14:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. It's a stub with two or three sentences on her career, and an unreferenced filmography. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Very little prose in the article. INeedSupport It has gone downhill 03:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Antananarivo stampede

Article: Antananarivo stampede (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least 16 people die in a human crush in Antananarivo, Madagascar
News source(s): ABC News

Nominator's comments: Significant amount of deaths from a country that is not posted often Jamez42 (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Support. An important event on an important day. MSN12102001 (talk) 00:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality - The article needs significant expansion and improvement, but I think that giving a rarely featured country a store would be good and the death toll puts it over for me. StudiesWorld (talk) 00:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Opposupport Please tell us more. This is obviously important subject. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

June 25

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(Posted) RD: Etika/Daniel Amofah

Article: Etika (streamer) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC, NYPost

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Yes, this article just got created today, but it's been one of those people that we likely could have had an article before on GNG notability (eg using pre-April 2019 news searching), and while it is presently at "Death of..." we're talking about getting it moved to either his online name or his proper name. He likely died on the 19th or 20th (apparent suicide, still investigating) but body was only found this morning. Masem (t) 17:16, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Oppose on procedural grounds. I agree with the current notability tag, so this is doubtful both as an RD and a blurb. We should be careful about picking a YouTuber or similar internet personality. Brandmeistertalk 17:25, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Not even suggesting a blurb here, but I disagree with the notability issue. If you ignore the coverage of his death, he's still notable as a YouTuber before that point. We're just getting more sources now with his death to fill in the rest. --Masem (t) 17:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now It's definitely a notable event, but the article’s quality is lacking for now. Once it improves, I will support posting the RD. INeedSupport :3 17:35, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Death creates the article. Not notable individually.--WaltCip (talk) 18:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Again, if you ignore his death and events of the last week (since his disappearance) I will argue he was still notable via the GNG, we just didn't have the article created for him. It is unfortunately that we can now fill in more details with his death but that's the same for nearly any RD case we have. --Masem (t) 18:59, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Neutral because I imagine we can buff up the page, but right now, it's not quite ready. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 19:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Well referenced. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 19:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support I would agree that he passed GNG before the incident - just nobody got around to it yet. Juxlos (talk) 21:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support per Juxlos. wumbolo ^^^ 21:35, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support, page has improved. Spengouli (talk) 21:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - per improvements.BabbaQ (talk) 22:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 00:08, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

June 24

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RD: Billy Drago

Article: Billy Drago (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Character actor likely best remembered for playing Frank Nitti in the 1987 film The Untouchables (1987 film). Article is not long but somewhat surprisingly is not in horrible shape. Filmography needs work though. Death was not announced until the 26th. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment. Not horrible but far from great. The filmography needs sources, and preferably splitting into film & television. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Iván Erőd

Article: Iván Erőd (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Die Presse

Article updated
Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Composer who grew up and was trained in Budapest, emigrated to Vienna, where he became a pianist and professor at the Academy. - I worked on his article in 2011, others before and after. I updated the existing refs, and will add more from obituaries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Support. Nice article. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 22:43, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 00:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2026 Winter Olympics

Articles: 2026 Winter Olympics (talk, history) and 2026 Winter Paralympics (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Milan and Cortina d'Ampezzo are elected by the International Olympic Committee as host city of the 2026 Winter Olympics and Paralympic Games.
News source(s): BBC

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

 Yogwi21 (talk) 16:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Support. Seems well referenced. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 17:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support in principle. The article is ready to go.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Snow support Article looks good to me. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:34, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Mu I have no idea why this would be ITNR. I find it quite uninteresting where the winter Olympics will be held in seven years time. Get back to me when it starts. Oppose in principle, but if it's ITNR then not much I can do about it, eh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amakuru (talk • contribs)
  • Support but wait The 2026 Winter Paralympics article has not been written yet. I added it to the blurb. It's possible I broke protocol on that, but I do think inclusion of the Paralympics is important here. -TenorTwelve (talk) 18:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Normally it looks like info about the bidding goes into a separate article from the actually games and paraolympic games - but as with the games otherwise so many years down the road, it makes sense at the present time that the current Olympic games article otherwise covers the bidding facet. Since the Paraolympics automatically happen at the same city, I don't think its necessary to include that or worry about its article at this time. --Masem (t) 19:49, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support One CN in a sea of references. Should be fine to go. --Masem (t) 19:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support Good to go. Davey2116 (talk) 22:05, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Support The announcement of the host city is listed at ITN/R & the article is in good shape. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:54, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 01:45, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
    Request, Perhaps the created 2026 Winter Paralympics article can be added to the blurb insted of the general Winter Paralympics article. Thanks.BabbaQ (talk) 22:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
    Updated. Stephen 00:04, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

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